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Thread: Cloak vs. Bender MUD

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    Default Cloak vs. Bender MUD

    Maybe this will all be a moot point soon with the new mber release for the SW App, maybe not. However, I'm curious what the community thinks. I had a CL vs. BD matchup in the second round and THOUGHT that I would have a MUD advantage as Vlox. Much to my surprise I was super wrong! In fact the CL have a -1 against the BD currently.

    THIS IS NOT a critique of Turtleman's MUD table, which in general I think is brilliant, and I'm super grateful for the time and effort he puts into organizing the tourneys. Rather, I'm thinking I must be playing the Cloaks wrong or there is something I don't understand about this matchup which slightly favors the Cloaks. Admittedly, I'm not very good with Vlox although I enjoy playing him. Here are the problems I see:

    • iOS Vlox relies so much on assassination, which requires planning, which is really hard to do against Tacullu unless you fake out his Mimics.
    • Tac doesn't run enough multi lifers especially in early game to run a Scrappers gambit
    • The other commons: Gunners can be Mind Controlled, Snipers rarely getting clean shot (although good, if not expensive, for pinging walls), Slashers or Spys (if they get there) even with a CoS are easily counter summoned.
    • No real heavy/high cost champs to run in with and slow down counter summon.


    What am I missing? I'm clearly seeing this wrong. Help a brother out!

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    My short answer is Bender players in general aren't as good as strong Bender players. That distorts the results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by killercactus View Post
    My short answer is Bender players in general aren't as good as strong Bender players. That distorts the results.
    Good point.

    And actually, this brings something else to mind too that I meant to add: Where do the stats for the MUD table come from?

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    The MUs from the app. It records the win/loss of every MU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncleeurope View Post
    The MUs from the app. It records the win/loss of every MU.
    Holy cow! I didn't know it had the individual matchups for each faction!

    Thanks KC and UE. Ok, in that case, is everyone generally in agreement with me then? Or is there something about this matchup I'm not seeing?

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    Mud sucks,in part because the data id taken from general population, who cares about general population

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    Well, considering most people that do the iOS tourney are part of the general population.... I see no issue.
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    Tacullu is a summoner that takes a lot of skill and thought to.play at a high level, but it can be a very high level. My guess is that a lot of players play him at a lower level and get assassinated by Vlox. High level Bender players (which there are less of than high level big 3 players because they're harder) won't let this happen.
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    But how do you guys like the Jexik v Tacullu MU?

    I think Jex provides for a better match up against BD.
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    This is probably way too much work, but if someone was bored one day they could make a new MUD table based on Turtleman's official iOS tournaments. That would be much more representative of the population on here I think.
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