Using Card Sleeves

[Truth]

Using Card Sleeves on your Summoner Wars cards is a very good idea for a number of reasons:

- You push your cards around the play field throughout the game, causing potential wear on unprotected cards over extended play.

- Your opponent will handle some of your cards in a game of Summoner Wars. Though it is common politeness to clean your hands before playing a game that is going to have you handling other people's stuff, human skin produces oil naturally and a plastic protector keeps your cards from absorbing those oils.

- When 2 Players both want to play the same faction it is easier to separate out whose cards are whose at the end of the game when the decks are both sleeved with differing sleeves.

- When playing a 4 player game, if teammates are both playing the same faction, it is easier to keep track of whose cards are whose throughout the game.

The good news is that there are an abundance of card sleeves out there that are a perfect fit for Summoner Wars. The card sleeves you want to look for when shopping for Summoner Wars sleeves are Japanese-sized card sleeves, or more maybe more commonly known as card sleeves designed to fit YuGiOh cards.

If anyone knows of any good online sources for these sleeve sizes that offers good prices and service, please feel free to share. I found several places after a quick Google search, but haven't had any interaction with these places in order to recommend them. Your local game store might also be a good place to find these sleeves.

[Truth]

I've never used this retailer before, but they are well known and my brief research on card sleeves tells me that they have a good selection at good prices:

http://www.trollandtoad.com/Yu-Gi-Oh!-%28Yugioh!%29-Cards/1963-4736p1n10.html

[Jim]

I've ordered Japanese sleeves from Troll & Toad before. They were reasonably priced, and they were delivered quickly.

[Onacara]

The other benefit to using sleezes is that you can buy the ones that are only clear on the card front side, which will mask those pesky mercenaries from your opponent. :cool:

[Aldin]

The other benefit to using sleezes is that you can buy the ones that are only clear on the card front side, which will mask those pesky mercenaries from your opponent. :cool:

Actually, that's the question I had about sleeves. Is it "okay" to hide mercs or do they need a seperate sleeve color?

~Aldin, cheesily

[Truth]

You want the ones that are only clear on the front-side so that you have a different back than an opponent who may be playing the same faction. That way separating out your cards at the end of the game will be easier.

I'm going to allow hiding mercs in card sleeves. If I didn't, players would be forced to buy two different sleeve packs just to get a variant back, and that is no good. I'll have to remember to mention this in the first FAQ.

[Ace Histoli]

Question from a somebody who doesn't play a lot of CCGs: Can you still shuffle the cards when they're in sleeves? Being able to physically shuffle a deck of cards is just wayyyyy more satisfying than smearing them around in piles, or whatever other degrading means of randomizing you'd have to do...

[tfelts]

Question from a somebody who doesn't play a lot of CCGs: Can you still shuffle the cards when they're in sleeves? Being able to physically shuffle a deck of cards is just wayyyyy more satisfying than smearing them around in piles, or whatever other degrading means of randomizing you'd have to do...

Yes, you can still shuffle them in card sleeves...

Tim

[Jim]

Yes, you can still shuffle them in card sleeves...

Tim

You can't do a riffle shuffle, but you can take half the deck and kind of "push" it into the other half. Do this several times and it is shuffled. It works well for me.

[Onacara]

Question from a somebody who doesn't play a lot of CCGs: Can you still shuffle the cards when they're in sleeves? Being able to physically shuffle a deck of cards is just wayyyyy more satisfying than smearing them around in piles, or whatever other degrading means of randomizing you'd have to do...

Since the sleeves are slick they actually slide together very nicely if you split the deck and then push the 2 half decks into each other.

[XNFM]

Actually, you can do a modified rifle shuffle, depending on the brand of sleeve you use. While I've never tried this with Japanesse-sized cards, it does work with standard cards. If you shuffle so that the bottom corners of the cards overlap and then slide them together the rest of the way you can still get that satisfaction of a good shuffle.

[Classicsmiley]

For home play, I'm assuming that completely clear sleeves would work just fine (and may be preferable), correct? Also, am I correct in thinking that each starter set comes with 70 cards (35 per faction)?

[Truth]

For home play, I'm assuming that completely clear sleeves would work just fine (and may be preferable), correct? Also, am I correct in thinking that each starter set comes with 70 cards (35 per faction)?

Yes, clear sleeves work fine for home play. Each starter set does come with 70 cards.

[Quintaton16]

You want the ones that are only clear on the front-side so that you have a different back than an opponent who may be playing the same faction. That way separating out your cards at the end of the game will be easier.

I'm going to allow hiding mercs in card sleeves. If I didn't, players would be forced to buy two different sleeve packs just to get a variant back, and that is no good. I'll have to remember to mention this in the first FAQ.

I realize this decision is based on your trying to make this game as easily affordable as possible, but I don't really like this ruling. No offense, but I see the merc backing as a very useful facet of deck strategy. It's like in Heroscape saying that Raelin can boost frendlies and not just units in your own armies so people don't have to retool their armies for 2 on 2. It's nice, but it seems just to imbalance the game just a little.

Couldn't you put a sticker or something on the back of the sleeve, or write on it with a Sharpie since you probably won't use the sleeves for other games at the same time?

[Onacara]

Quint...not sure what your objection is ....at his point in time we only have the one Merc so there is no surprise as to who it is. Once the other Mercs come out then you can mix and match them in your deck. They may not be of that faction but forthat battle they are part of that army so why would they not have the same card sleeve back as the rest of the cards?

[tfelts]

I realize this decision is based on your trying to make this game as easily affordable as possible, but I don't really like this ruling. No offense, but I see the merc backing as a very useful facet of deck strategy. It's like in Heroscape saying that Raelin can boost frendlies and not just units in your own armies so people don't have to retool their armies for 2 on 2. It's nice, but it seems just to imbalance the game just a little.

Couldn't you put a sticker or something on the back of the sleeve, or write on it with a Sharpie since you probably won't use the sleeves for other games at the same time?


I guess the real question is when the game was designed was it intended that the mercs be known by the opponent or was it never really considered?! I'm sure you playtested at some point with all white backs in the early stages and when you had mercs there did you indicate which ones they were?! Are they designed/priced differently based on the fact that the opponent will know when you draw one?

Tim

[Jim]

The mercs did have different backs when playtesting, and the fact that your opponent would know that a card was a merc was known.

[Truth]

It was tested that way, I knew it was going to be that way by necessity, but it isn't game breaking one way or the other. You can't use stickers or sharpie, as those marking will not be exact matches and so the player that made those marks could tell which mercs are which, gaining a possible advantage. But in my experience the differing card backs often have no effect on the game. I can't remember a single game where knowing effected my strategy. Thus I ruled to save money and trouble there is no need to come up with differing card backs for mercenaries.

Now if you were running an event and wanted to provide sleeves for players to put there mercs in because you wanted to run the event that way, that would be a great idea. I'm just not going to rule that it is needed.

[mrbistro]

I can vouch that knowing which cards are mercenaries is meaningless. It's tough to imagine now with only Khan Queso being out there, but Colby's brain has been in overdrive, and he has a lot of mercs in the works. Once he's released a few, knowing an opponent has a merc card in his hand will be as unhelpful as knowing he has a faction card in his hand.

EDIT: No, the rhyme was not on purpose.

[Ace Histoli]

Just another thought: Since the sleeves are opaque on one side, I could just play sleeveless until the cards show enough wear to reveal which card is which (to an experienced player of my deck), and then just sleeve 'em at that point, right?

I know, at that point I'd have sleeved cards that aren't in mint condition, and I'd look like an idiot for not having done it earlier, but I just think playing with unsleeved cards is way more fun...

[mrbistro]

I'm right there with you. Games are meant to be played, not stared at from afar. I would probably sleeve them if I was in a tournament, but other than that, I'm really not going to worry about it.

[Hogg]

Silly question: I'm colorblind and can't tell the colors of the factions. I know the Orcs are blue and Mercs are grey or black, but what about the Elves, Dwarves, and Goblins? Brown, brown, and reddish brown?

I want to buy matching card sleeves for them (even though I can't tell) and need to know what colors to get. Thanks.

[KCU Master 2007]

I did:

Blue for Orcs
Red for Elves
Green for Goblins
Silver for Dwarves

[nyphot]

I'm wondering what kinds (brand) of sleeves people purchased, and how they worked for your sets...

I purchased the Arcane Tinmen Dragon Shield mini sleeves which, in reviews, seemed to be near the top-of-the-line for Yu-Gi-Oh cards. A game like this deserves top of the line sleeves, yes? :)

However, I was a little disappointed to find that my Summoner Wars cards stuck out the end a little bit. I have some Yu-Gi-Oh cards, and in comparison it looks like the Summoner Wars cards are roughly 1mm narrower (no big deal) and 3mm longer (so they'd stick out on a "perfect" Yu-Gi-Oh sleeve.

I doubt I'm going to buy new sleeves as I think this protection is pretty good and I otherwise have no use for the sleeves I purchased... but I wanted to let you know my experience and see if any of you have found the perfect Summoner Wars sleeve...

[Truth]

I'm wondering what kinds (brand) of sleeves people purchased, and how they worked for your sets...

I purchased the Arcane Tinmen Dragon Shield mini sleeves which, in reviews, seemed to be near the top-of-the-line for Yu-Gi-Oh cards. A game like this deserves top of the line sleeves, yes? :)

However, I was a little disappointed to find that my Summoner Wars cards stuck out the end a little bit. I have some Yu-Gi-Oh cards, and in comparison it looks like the Summoner Wars cards are roughly 1mm narrower (no big deal) and 3mm longer (so they'd stick out on a "perfect" Yu-Gi-Oh sleeve.

I doubt I'm going to buy new sleeves as I think this protection is pretty good and I otherwise have no use for the sleeves I purchased... but I wanted to let you know my experience and see if any of you have found the perfect Summoner Wars sleeve...

Mine fit perfect. They are Ultra Pro Deck Protector Sleeves sized for Yu-Gi-Oh & Small Gaming Cards.

[Pickledpie]

I'm going to allow hiding mercs in card sleeves. If I didn't, players would be forced to buy two different sleeve packs just to get a variant back, and that is no good. I'll have to remember to mention this in the first FAQ.

Hopefully this means that you guys at PlaidHat can make Summoner Wars specific sleeves, or include them in future sets, because it's clear that they'll give you a competitive edge.

[Truth]

Hopefully this means that you guys at PlaidHat can make Summoner Wars specific sleeves, or include them in future sets, because it's clear that they'll give you a competitive edge.

I hope to. But I think you are overestimating the effect of knowing when a merc is coming on the game.

[paradox22]

Hey Truth, do you have a link to the sleves you bought?

[Cavalier]

Hey Truth, do you have a link to the sleves you bought?



I've never used this retailer before, but they are well known and my brief research on card sleeves tells me that they have a good selection at good prices:

http://www.trollandtoad.com/Yu-Gi-Oh!-%28Yugioh!%29-Cards/1963-4736p1n10.html
On page one ;)

[ultimobean]

yea and if your like me and dont shower then all that grease gets all over the cards and it just becomes a very slippery mess hahaha. but hey what about card sleeves that have the design on the back. then you wont be able to tell if the other guy has mercs in his deck.

[Truth]

On page one ;)

Actually these are the ones that I bought and tested them out on. I thought 'Yu-Gi-Oh size was a standard size so I recommend troll and toad for their huge selection.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002HLVISI/ref=ox_ya_oh_product

Those ones fit the cards just right, no overhang.

[rym]

I just put sleeves on my cards. My FLGS had the Ultra Deck Pro Protector Sleeves as a buy 2 get 1 pack free, so I stocked up for a few dollars and now all my cards are protected.

Red for Elves, Blue for Orcs, Green for Goblins, and Black for Dwarves.

I put 2 extra sleeves of each color into the boxes, so that if any one wants to use the Mercenaries, they can slide the appropriate card sleeve onto the Merc Card.

Thanks for the heads up on which sleeves to pick up, truth.

[Jaz1597]

FWIW, I have placed multiple orders for minis from Troll And Toad and have had great service every time.

So just in case anyone was hesitant to order from them...;)

[KCU Master 2007]

I ordered from them and got my sleeves about two days later. If I ever need more I know where I'm going.

[Jexik]

Man.

I followed the link that Colby gave to pick up some sleeves. Got some white ones and red ones. And some green ones locally. I put my Phoenix Elves in the red sleeves.

And I hated it.

Don't get me wrong. The sleeves work fine.

But it just feels so unnatural. I like to play cards. Dominion, M:TG, Pinochle, Poker, you name it. I riffle shuffle without looking at my hands. It's therapeutic. I don't even know what to do with sleeved cards. They feel like they're made out of warm ice. You pick them up, and they slide around. I never thought I'd miss the art on the Summoner Wars card backs, but I totally do now. These sleeves are coming off!

I think I'll only sleeve my cards for those odd occasions when I go to some tournament and I'm worried about facing the same faction or something.

Gross.

[KCU Master 2007]

I never thought I'd miss the art on the Summoner Wars card backs, but I totally do now.



I feel the same way. The art on the back of the cards is amazing and, in my opinion, really adds to the quality of the game. However, I've always sleeved all of my cards (except standard playing cards) simply because I end up putting a decent amount of money into them. I thought several times about taking the sleeves off but I know that as soon as I do, something is going to happen to mess them up.

[Jexik]

I think I'm going to wait until there is noticeable damage to some of the cards to resleeve them. The main purpose that I can understand is to make it so that you can't tell which cards are coming up because of identifiable creases or tears.

I don't plan on reselling Summoner Wars.

[ultimobean]

i thought that was the purpose of the mercs though. i thought you were supposed to be able to tell who had them because of their different color.

[Jaz1597]

So...I'd really like to get some clear sleeves, but I seem to be having difficulty finding the right size. I tried the ones from Troll And Toad...they were the perfect width, but slightly too short (as mentioned earlier in this thread). I then tried ordering some off Amazon. As far as I could tell, they were exactly the same as the ones Truth pointed out, but they were clear. Those ones were the perfect length, but they were much too wide.

Can anyone point me to some card sleeves that fit just right? Many thanks!

[Truth]

So...I'd really like to get some clear sleeves, but I seem to be having difficulty finding the right size. I tried the ones from Troll And Toad...they were the perfect width, but slightly too short (as mentioned earlier in this thread). I then tried ordering some off Amazon. As far as I could tell, they were exactly the same as the ones Truth pointed out, but they were clear. Those ones were the perfect length, but they were much too wide.

Can anyone point me to some card sleeves that fit just right? Many thanks!

I didn't mind the bit of extra width. I don't think you are going to find PERFECT sleeves for the cards until the game gets to a level of notoriety that some of these sleeve companies or me myself decide to make sleeves specifically for Summoner Wars.

[Jaz1597]

I didn't mind the bit of extra width. I don't think you are going to find PERFECT sleeves for the cards until the game gets to a level of notoriety that some of these sleeve companies or me myself decide to make sleeves specifically for Summoner Wars.
I thought that might be the case. That's okay though. I guess I'll just go without for the time being (I'm a little compulsive about things fitting properly). Thanks for the info!

[Eldil]

I'm surprised that everyone is viewing distinct merc backs as an absolute disadvantage, and sleeving therefore an absolute advantage. Couldn't having a different back for mercs be a benefit to the player running mercs? He or she can see a merc on top of the draw deck--or, if they pay attention while shuffling, he or she can even have a general sense for how the mercs are distributed through the deck. If you sleeve all your cards with the same backs, you won't have access to this information.

Ultimately, I'm going to trust Colby when he says the whole thing isn't really an issue. I doubt it's going to have a significant bearing on the game.

But that having been said, it seems like you have the choice to make your merc backs distinct or not.

Imagine the game a little down the road, when there are more mercs to choose from. Imagine you're running a single merc in your deck. You've shuffled and drawn your starting hand. Now you can see that there's a merc card, face-down, on top of your deck.

You know exactly what card that is. You know exactly how many cards in your hand you'll need to dump into your magic pile in order to summon that merc on your next turn. Your opponent doesn't know that. Your opponent only knows that it could be one of a dozen or more cards.

Who benefits more from that information?

Now if you choose to sleeve all your cards with the same back, you won't have access to that information. And that carries a benefit, too; your opponent won't know if you're holding mercs in your hand.

All I'm saying is there may be benefits and drawbacks either way, and ultimately neither of those are likely to have a decisive impact on the game.

As for myself, I'm going for clear sleeves, because:

1. I like the art on the back of the cards.

2. I want to be able to sleeve my summoner reference card, which is double-sided, right?

[XCoconutMonkey06x]

The flaw with that is that it gives you the unfair advantage. In Poker, you aren't allowed any idea what the next card is. Neither are you allowed that information when playing Magic: The Gathering. Otherwise, they would just let you stack your deck as you see fit.

[Eldil]

The flaw with that is that it gives you the unfair advantage. In Poker, you aren't allowed any idea what the next card is. Neither are you allowed that information when playing Magic: The Gathering. Otherwise, they would just let you stack your deck as you see fit.

I don't think it's a flaw, nor do I think it's unfair. It's the way the game is built; if you play with unsleeved cards, the mercenary cards will have grey backs, and will therefore be distinctive from the rest of your deck.

My point was that a few people suggested that using opaque sleeves gives an advantage to the player using them, because his or her opponent won't be able to tell which cards are mercenaries from the card backs. I only wanted to suggest that there is also an advantage to the player not using opaque sleeves, or using clear sleeves.

[darkbladecb]

But it just feels so unnatural. I like to play cards. Dominion, M:TG, Pinochle, Poker, you name it. I riffle shuffle without looking at my hands. It's therapeutic. I don't even know what to do with sleeved cards. They feel like they're made out of warm ice. You pick them up, and they slide around. I never thought I'd miss the art on the Summoner Wars card backs, but I totally do now. These sleeves are coming off!


See, that's funny, because I come from a trading card game background. I got into gaming thanks to Pokemon and Star Wars cards and at this point in my life I can't FATHOM playing cards without sleeves. I even have sleeves for my HeroScape cards (which I am glad to--just last night there was a water spill and my sleeves saved my cards).

You really do get used to it. I honestly feel really weird playing cards that DON'T have sleeves. All four of my Pokemon decks are in sleeves. It's even gotten to the point where I shuffle everything in piles (six piles of ten or ten piles of six for Pokemon!) as it's easiest.

It's just a lifestyle change and I can't recommend it enough just to protect them, as they ARE an investment.

[Jim]

How to shuffle with sleeves. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjLp5wh5y90)

(The open end of the sleeves are facing the camera in the video)

[Quintaton16]

Eldil brings up an interesting point. Will we have to declare the contents of our decks when playing? It was always my assumption that in a tournament you would have to have listings of all the non-mandatory cards in your deck. In that case, the opponent would not be nearly as disadvantaged as Eldil thinks he would be.

In any case, I find that if the opponent drops cards into his magic pile so there are exactly 7 of them, I can make a pretty good guess what's in his hand.

[KCU Master 2007]

I use sleeves and I plan on simply sleeving mercs in an off colored sleeve from the rest of my deck. It has the same effect as using sleeveless or clear sleeved card but still offers protection to the cards.

[Jim]

I use sleeves and I plan on simply sleeving mercs in an off colored sleeve from the rest of my deck. It has the same effect as using sleeveless or clear sleeved card but still offers protection to the cards.

The thing about that is that you will be able to see exactly where in your deck the Mercs are. With the non-sleeved cards, you won't see until it is the top card on the draw pile (short of fanning your draw pile a bit).

[KCU Master 2007]

Well yeah...guess I hadn't thought of that. We never really played with that in mind...it is a valid point. Perhaps I'll simply mark the back of that sleeve, that could work.

[Incognito]

I was originally using my old Yu-Gi-Oh sleeves (can't believe I used to be into that) and it didn't feel right. Because I liked the concept though, I ordered clear sleeves from trollandtoad and they arrived today. Can't say enough good things about them! I can still see the artwork and the cards feel more durable. I don't mind that part of the card is sticking out at the end; in fact, I plan to use it to identify the set-up cards for each faction (have the opposite end of the card sticking out of the sleeve for easy identification).

[Mr Migraine]

Summoner Wars cards have almost identical dimensions with my Dominion cards, so I ordered a few extra packs of Mayday Euro sleeves for SW. Those have generally good reviews.

[nyys]

Did you order the regular ones or the premium?

[Mr Migraine]

I bought the regular ones. A 25% increase in thickness wasn't enough to justify double the price in my head.

[EricShift]

Is there going to be a rule for opponents cutting the deck, especially in tournament play? If so will seeing where the merc cards are make a difference to what part they put on top?

[EricShift]

I'm trying to choose between two different sleeves.

Which do you think will fit the best?

Mini American Board Game Sleeves?
Fits Cards of This Size: 1 5/8'' x 2 1/2'' (41x63 MM)
http://www.coolstuffinc.com/main_boardGame.php?viewType=view board games&fp=Acc-FFGMiniAmericanBoardGameSleeves

or

Mini European Board Game Sleeves?
Fits Cards of This Size: 1 11/16'' x 2 5/8'' (44x68 MM)
http://www.coolstuffinc.com/main_boardGame.php?viewType=view board games&fp=Acc-FFGMiniEuropeanBoardGameSleeves

What size are the cards?

[Jim]

I'm trying to choose between two different sleeves.

Which do you think will fit the best?

Mini American Board Game Sleeves?
Fits Cards of This Size: 1 5/8'' x 2 1/2'' (41x63 MM)
http://www.coolstuffinc.com/main_boardGame.php?viewType=view board games&fp=Acc-FFGMiniAmericanBoardGameSleeves

or

Mini European Board Game Sleeves?
Fits Cards of This Size: 1 11/16'' x 2 5/8'' (44x68 MM)
http://www.coolstuffinc.com/main_boardGame.php?viewType=view board games&fp=Acc-FFGMiniEuropeanBoardGameSleeves

What size are the cards?
I don't have the exact measurements handy, but these are way too small. Don't go with anything that is labeled as "mini."

[Mr Migraine]

My sleeves came today, and I have a problem with them. They fit perfectly on my Dominion cards, but SW cards are a tad bit shorter in both dimensions, so the sleeves flap around and fold over and such when I use them on SW cards. The Mayday Euro sleeves aren't a great fit, so I wouldn't recommend them for SW.

[Jim]

Summoner Wars cards have almost identical dimensions with my Dominion cards, so I ordered a few extra packs of Mayday Euro sleeves for SW. Those have generally good reviews.


My sleeves came today, and I have a problem with them. They fit perfectly on my Dominion cards, but SW cards are a tad bit shorter in both dimensions, so the sleeves flap around and fold over and such when I use them on SW cards. The Mayday Euro sleeves aren't a great fit, so I wouldn't recommend them for SW.
I compared my Dominion and SW cards, and I see the slight difference you are talking about. I think the problem is coming from the fact that you have the thinner sleeves. While the dimensions are the same between the Mayday Premium and standard sleeves, the thicker plastic may prevent the excess from folding around.

That's one reason there are so many different sized sleeves; a slight difference in card size makes a difference in how snug the sleeves fit. I have used the Mayday sleeves on my Dominion cards and I have absolutely no problems with them, and I really like them. I just haven't sleeved my SW cards, other than the playtest versions, so I don't know what size would have worked.

[Mr Migraine]

I have used the Mayday sleeves on my Dominion cards and I have absolutely no problems with them, and I really like them. I just haven't sleeved my SW cards, other than the playtest versions, so I don't know what size would have worked.

The sleeves on Dominion are the PERFECT size; they almost seem laminated. I prefer the feel of naked cards, but since Dominion requires such extensive shuffling and wear, I bought some sleeves.

Oh well, I guess I can keep using my tuck boxes. :rolleyes:

[darkbladecb]

Ultra Pro always had the best clear sleeves that I used when I played Star Wars and what have you, so since I finally got my Summoner Wars at the end of last week and have a second box coming in hopefully tomorrow, I went ahead and found colored-backed Ultra Pro sleeves online (in "Atlantis" light blue, "Willow" bright green, "Imperial" blood red, and black for the four factions... with a darker green and a white/dark blue still available for use by the Fallen Kingdom and Vanguard ;) ). I am looking forward to them coming in, because in the 15 or whatever odd plays we've already cranked out over the snowed in weekend I'm really looking forward to get my cards safe and snug in their sleeves.

[Jexik]

I gave in and re-sleeved my cards after a bit of moisture from leaving them in my car tore the backs of one of my beserkers when I removed it from the Eater. I bought a few more colors at a local store.

Same Ultra-pro YGO sized ones. Working pretty well, and I've gotten used to shuffling them.

Green: Cave Goblins
Yellow: Guild Dwarves (I actually really like how this looks)!
Red: Phoenix Elves
Blue: Tundra Orcs

[Jim]

I gave in and re-sleeved my cards
Yes... Yes!!
http://www.hecklerspray.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/palpatine.jpg

[mrbistro]

xcoconutmonkeyX is using the clear FFG sleeves and they look great.

[FightCityMayor]

xcoconutmonkeyX is using the clear FFG sleeves and they look great.
HEAR YE, HEAR YE...

I was coming here to post exactly what the estimable Mr. Bistro has already confirmed, and the message is this:

Fantasy Flight's clear European Board Game sleeves are the bomb-diggity!
They come in the purple FFG packaging and are not only infinitely more rigid & substantial than the el-cheapo floppy Ultra-Pro sleeves, they hold the cards perfectly.

http://store.fantasyflightgames.com/productdetails.cfm?sku=FFS04

Run, don't walk, to your local FLGS (or the internets) and purchase today!

[EricShift]

Fantasy Flight's clear European Board Game sleeves are the bomb-diggity!


Yep, I agree.

These seem to fit the cards best.

The width is perfect and the length is only a few millimetres too long.

[Anavasoothed]

Of course, they are out of stock..

Did you guys buy them all out? :(

[EricShift]

Of course, they are out of stock..

Did you guys buy them all out? :(

Ha ha, sorry dude...

Check out CoolStuff, that's where I got mine from...

http://www.coolstuffinc.com/main_boardGame.php?viewType=view board games&fp=Acc-FFGStandardEuropeanBoardGameSleeves

[Jexik]

Yes... Yes!!
http://www.hecklerspray.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/palpatine.jpg

Did you photoshop him to look more like a slightly blurry Summoner Wars card, or is that just a coincidence?

[Jim]

Did you photoshop him to look more like a slightly blurry Summoner Wars card, or is that just a coincidence?
Must be a coincidence, I just used one of the pictures I found.

[nyys]

Was at my FLGS today and they had the thicker Mayday sleeves. I didn't have a card with me to test, but it lookes like it would work. Going to go back this weekend with a deck to test before I buy. Anyone else try the Mayday sleeves?

[darkbladecb]

Do the tuck boxes accommodate sleeved cards? I am assuming not. And if not, are there any plans for thicker tuck boxes which will?

[PePe QuiCoSE]

HEAR YE, HEAR YE...
Fantasy Flight's clear European Board Game sleeves are the bomb-diggity!
They come in the purple FFG packaging and are not only infinitely more rigid & substantial than the el-cheapo floppy Ultra-Pro sleeves, they hold the cards perfectly.

What about the American Board Game sleeves?
It's
European:
59mm x 92mm ( 2 5/16" x 3 9/16)
American:
56mm x 87mm (2 1/4" x 3 1/2")

Are they too small?

I'm planning on buying some sleeves, my cards are starting to wear out of just shuffling them :(.

[EricShift]

What about the American Board Game sleeves?
It's
European:
59mm x 92mm ( 2 5/16" x 3 9/16)
American:
56mm x 87mm (2 1/4" x 3 1/2")

Are they too small?

I'm planning on buying some sleeves, my cards are starting to wear out of just shuffling them :(.

Yeah, they're not wide enough.

I pick up some american sleeves for my cosmic encounters game and tried them out with my summoner wars cards.

The length is perfect but the width is too tight.

I managed to force the card in nine tenths of the way before got stuck.

[PePe QuiCoSE]

thanks for the info! European is it then :)

[Donald]

I've picked up some sleeves for my cards and the Ultra-pro yugioh sleeves are the best fit I've found so far. KMC yugi sleeved are about a mm too short and the top edge of the card sticks out. The Mayday sleeves are a little too long and make shuffling a little harder. They will still work, but the Ultrapro has the best length for the cards.

EDIT- I tried Dragon Shield sleeves also and they are too short as well, the top of the card sticks out. FFGs sleeves are made by Dragon Shield I believe.

[metalbusi]

The Fantasy Flyght Standard American Board Game Sleeves (green) didn't fit well, the sleevs are a lillte smallare than the cards. Hope this info will come usefull.

[PePe QuiCoSE]

Well, you are confirming what EricShift said. I did buy the European ones and fit great, just some extra mm on one side (which i thought of trimming, but not for now, it's just a detail).

[infamous1]

i'm thinking about lamenating my cards at staples, good idea? then if i want to i can cut the lamenat edges to fit what ever sleves i want, if i still want to sleeve them. i don't know thinking about doing it, what do you guys think about lamenating your cards?

[metalbusi]

You will have a 9 inch deck XD

[FightCityMayor]

You will have a 9 inch deck XD
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Then I bet his significant other is pleased.

[infamous1]

at staples you can choose different thicknesses of the lamenate, i lamenated my heroscape cards and was quite pleased, think i'll do it unless someone has good reason not to, any comments?

ps. she is pleased:cool:

[Goblin King]

Also, Infamous 1, it is a pain if you have wrinkles in your board, the cards slide all around, and they dont pile nicely

[Goblin King]

Lets keep it G guys:cool:

[metalbusi]

Lol sorry, I'm Italian and I didn't catch the hidden message of what I have written.

[Goblin King]

No worries

Goblin King, watching out for the children

[AzureEternal]

I use color-backed ULTRA pro sleeves and they work perfectly. The only problem is getting used to the shuffle. It becomes more natural the more you shuffle the deck, but at first, it's clumsy and awkward. Nevertheless, the sleeves have worked out flawlessly and fit the cards extremely well.

Much like others here, I chose colors that matched each faction's primary color and, have to say, they look mega sweet. ^_^

[nyys]

Finally got around to sleeving my SW cards with the thicker Mayday sleeves. They're absolutely perfect!

[VertigoSmooth]

I bought some basic clear soft plastic sleeves for my cards. Only issue I'm having is it makes it really hard to shuffle. I'll try them out some more before I make a decision on them though. I laminated all my HS cards but considering the shuffling and the fact that I do the laminating myself(thats alot of cards at once) I think I'll stick to sleeves.


Dustin

[Donald]

I bought some basic clear soft plastic sleeves for my cards.

How soft are they? They may be the 'penny sleeves' used to store cards (ultrapro stock # RPSCG-3). The penny sleeves are really thin and not meant for being used while you play.

[VertigoSmooth]

Hmm, that may be them, I don't have the original packaging anymore though. Are they not made to play with just because they are so thin? Can someone recommend a good sleeve to use for playing that makes shuffling actually possible? hehe




Dustin


----Now from looking more online I have a feeling I have the wrong ones. Mine were only 97 cents for 100 and it seems good sleeves are like 5 bucks for 100----

[Donald]

----Now from looking more online I have a feeling I have the wrong ones. Mine were only 97 cents for 100 and it seems good sleeves are like 5 bucks for 100----

That does sound like the penny sleeves. They may work, but they will be a bigger pain to shuffle and will tear more easily than the gaming sleeves.

[GromBloodboy]

I have red backed sleeves for my Elves, but since my buddies own the others I just sleeved them in normal cheap sleeves. It is quite nice knowing when you are going to Khan, I must tell you.

[VertigoSmooth]

Well I fixed my sleeve problem. I went to Wal-Mart and just bought some of those Ultra-Pro Deck Boxes that come with 50 gaming sleeves. I noticed a big difference right away with shuffling. I went ahead and just got black for everything, that way noone will know if I use a mercenary. :) Plus, I didn't feel like buying all kinds of different ones just to "match" the card colors. You can still see the cards original color through the front clear part anyway.


Dustin

[lildrummahboi34]

so i am looking to buy clear sleeves for all my decks now and was wondering:

is there a perfect set of clear sleeves out there for Summoner Wars?

theres been a bunch mentioned, and some people here said they were great while others had problems with them. i cant find a true answer. does anybody know for sure?

thanks!

[matdav]

I purchased the premium euro sleeves from mayday. They work great. Wide by a mm or two and long by a couple. They are perfect for me.

[ChaosChild]

so i am looking to buy clear sleeves for all my decks now and was wondering:

is there a perfect set of clear sleeves out there for Summoner Wars?

theres been a bunch mentioned, and some people here said they were great while others had problems with them. i cant find a true answer. does anybody know for sure?

thanks!

Ultra Pro Deck Protector (sized for Yu-Gi-Oh & small gaming cards), wide by 1 or 2mm, long by less than 1mm. The card comes very close to the opening of the sleeve. They come in clear and various colors.

One warning about sleeves sized for Yu-Gi-Oh & small gaming cards, though. I have tried two other small card sleeves (Dragon Shield and Dek Prot) and the cards stick out by about 1mm. So far Ultra Pro is the only one that is long enough.

[darkrock]

Well I fixed my sleeve problem. I went to Wal-Mart and just bought some of those Ultra-Pro Deck Boxes that come with 50 gaming sleeves. I noticed a big difference right away with shuffling. I went ahead and just got black for everything, that way noone will know if I use a mercenary. :) Plus, I didn't feel like buying all kinds of different ones just to "match" the card colors. You can still see the cards original color through the front clear part anyway.


Is this the Ultra-Pro for Magic Cards?

Also has anyone tried the Player's Choice Yu-Gi-Oh! Sized cards?

Thanks!

[Reaper Crew]

FFG Sleeves, the one in the purple package

As discussed already they are 2 and 5/16 x 3 and 9/16 or 59x92 MM

50 sleeves in each package.

Width-wise thay are great, length-wise they are a bit too long, a small lip is left, but they are the best our there to my knowledge.

http://i518.photobucket.com/albums/u349/Jesse_James_X/DSCI0656.jpg

http://i518.photobucket.com/albums/u349/Jesse_James_X/DSCI0660.jpg

[darkrock]

Shoot! Looks good to me except that its a bit little longer but that can be fixed by cutting it out. I really thought the card size was --> 2 3/8" x 3 1/2" ~ 60.32mm x 88.89mm. I am surprise the width(59mm) fits nicely here. I guess the info on the card size was incorrect Truth? :( So the card size must be around 58.??mm x 89.??mm. You need at least 59mmx90mm for the sleeve dimension. I guess this is the perfect SW sleeve size. Thanks for sharing Reaper Crew!

Recommended Sleeves: FFG Sleeves Purple (59x92mm), Mayday Euro Size (59x92mm), Ultra Pro Yu-Gi-Oh! (62mmx90.5mm)
Not Good: Dragon Shield Yu-Gi-Oh (62x89mm) - card sticks out on the sleeve.

[Reaper Crew]

I would also like to add the quality of the plastic is A++ very strong material.

Not like those cheap penny sleeves you can buy 100 count for 75 cents.

[matdav]

If anyone is going to use the Mayday Euro sleeve, make sure that you get the premium sleeves. The cards stay in those quite nicely and the fit is very similar to that shown for the FFG sleeves. If you get the Mayday regular thickness, the cards won't stay put in the sleeves, they slide around alot. They don't slide out of the premium.

[Tidus]

Cool idea, but it says for orders under $200 they only ship to PO boxes. Wouldn't it kind of suck just to rent one for this? ...Or maybe i'm wrong.

They look pretty good with some nice prices. I will have to purchase a few sometime.

[Jivatma]

I'll be honest, I got sick of the bantering between sleeved mercs and unsleeved mercs. Give the game 3 years and it won't matter. With deck customization, all you're going to know is its a black, fallen kingdom faction deck, and that next card happens to be a grey merc card. sure it eliminates 5 other factions, but you still won't know what expansions he/she has in it.

As far as other games are considered, the only real reason you are required sleeves is to prevent marking cards.

--------------------

Anyways. These are the sleeves I use. They are a perfect fit...and they're clear front and back so they're cheaper then other sleeves generally speaking. The only problem with buying from mayday games is they're a bit more expensive then other places, and they also don't offer this sized sleeve in color

http://maydaygames.com/index.php/euro-game-card-sleeves-59-mm-x-92-mm.html

A little note about sleeves from experience. Brand new sleeves are slippery, slick and "lop-sided." Depending on how high you stack them, they will lean to one side or another depending on static and friction and so on and so forth. Sleeves will be very slick until they've been used a while. play with them, shuffle them. get used to them and you will never go back to "unsleeved" cards again. I promise.

The biggest things about shuffling sleeved cards is learning to hold your cards looser. The riffle shuffle (or bridge shuffle) is probably one of the harder shuffles to do because you need to wear in your sleeves a bit more then the cards. Sleeves are easier to bend "hot dog" (shuffling along the longer edge) then they are to bend. if you can riffle shuffle the "hot dog" way then that is a good start. I also recommend this way for protecting sleeves.

A few helpful ways to shuffle sleeved cards if you don't want to pile-shuffle...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjLp5wh5y90

(the only thing wrong with this shuffle) is after A LOT of shuffling you run the risk of ruining card sleeves and tearing them along one side, or tearing the corners off if you're not careful)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qch8kwWRHSI

(these are the most common ways i've seen. This guy is kind of monotone, but he does a good job explaining them. The brick shuffle he does a little fast but its still 'there')

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5FoKImUjks

(this one is for fun. this is his own unique system and as you can see, its quite speedy)

[Jaz1597]

Just wanted to add my thumbs-up to the FFG Euro sleeves. They are the best sleeve I've tried so far (I haven't tried the Mayday ones).

[Isamu]

How do all of these sleeves fit on the premium board? I've heard there is less space causing sleeved cards to overlap.

[KCU Master 2007]

I've noticed that and have strongly thought about just taking the cards out of the sleeves as I like the artwork on the back anyway.

[Isamu]

I also really like the the card backs. I'm thinking about taking a chance on these Mayday Chimera sleeves.

http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/558602/maydays-usa-chimera-sleeves-are-perfection

Very tight fit and clear, but with the risk of them not fitting. Worth a try?

[KCU Master 2007]

It's not that I've found the cards to not fit, it's just really tight and here is some overlap occasionally

[gamjuven]

The link Truth gave us in the first post to Yu-Gi-Oh card sleeves work really well in my opinion. I got a bunch and now my cards are nice and safe. :)

[esper88]

I ordered sleeves the other day, thinking I'd use them in a couple of months when my cards started to show wear.

Then my Ragnor card split at one of the corners.

Now everything's going in sleeves as soon as they arrive.

[KCU Master 2007]

Just because it seems appropriate to ask here. What color sleeves do you use for your factions? I think most of them seem pretty straight forward, but everybody has different tastes. I like:

PE - Red
TO - Blue
GD - Grey/Silver
CV - Green
FK - Black
VG - White
(I know, all of those seem pretty obvious)

I'm planning on using a light Blue for my CL, I just think it will look good and I got orange for my JE based on Jexik saying they looked pretty good after he won them early at the Plaid Hat Tourney.

What about you guys? Any particular reason for you color choices?

[Jexik]

PE - Red
TO - Blue
GD - Yellow
CG - Green
FK - Black
VG - White
CL- Light Blue
JE- Orange

[PePe QuiCoSE]

why not just clear sleeves? i went with that.

[Marroking1]

why not just clear sleeves? i went with that.
I've got nice clear ones too, but if you use colored ones you can hide your Mercs. Which is I beleive is a disadvantage.

[darkbladecb]

I think part of it is so you can identify your cards as opposed to your opponents. Though I also only use clear ones at the moment.

[Phoenixio]

I'm a fan of clear ones too. I know it doesn't hide mercs, but seeing them is part of the deal. And why hide the wonderful card backs? They're even more distinct than any colored sleeves would be.

Except for the few individual ones that are too tight, USA Chimera from Mayday are perfect for the job (the Orange Pack).

[KCU Master 2007]

I thought about clear sleeves and decided to get the colored backs. I'll probably save up and get enough clear sleeves for everything later on as I do like the card backs.

[gamjuven]

Right now I have:
PE - Pink (didn't have red yu-gi-oh card sleeves when I bought them)
CG - Green
GD - Brown
TO - Blue
VG - White
FK - Black

I haven't decided on what colors I will go with the JE and CL. I'm thinking yellow and gray.

[Barliman]

I am satisfied with the clear sleeves I'm using, but I am curious: what colors do people plan to used for the 6 new factions in the Master Set? How many colors do sleeves come in after all?

[Cleon]

I cased all my cards the other day, took a lot longer than I thought it would haha. I went with just clear for all of them. Eventually, I'll probably buy higher quality sleeves (i. e. - solid colored) for any deck(s) I bring to a tournament. I like having my collection all clear though.

[Sera Eldwyn's boyfriend]

I know a really good site, I have several of my decks sleeved in this brand. Just go to MAXPROTECTION.NET, it's an awesome site and has more card sleeves than you could imagine.

[Barliman]

I know a really good site, I have several of my decks sleeved in this brand. Just go to MAXPROTECTION.NET, it's an awesome site and has more card sleeves than you could imagine.

They certainly have a large selection of art to go on the sleeves, in addition to solid colors.

However, I could not find any description of the sleeve sizes, except for "small" and "large". Even if I clicked on an individual sleeve style, it did not give any indication what the sleeve dimensions are.

[Sera Eldwyn's boyfriend]

I own three of their selection. I have one for my Phoenix Elves, Vanguards, and Fallen Kingdom. They are commonly refered to off the site as Yu-Gi-Oh sleeves; I can put up a picture of the cards in the sleeves if you want.

[SuperEsenwein]

Eventually, I'll probably buy higher quality sleeves (i. e. - solid colored) for any deck(s) I bring to a tournament.
I just realized - this could be a good strategy for disguising Mercenaries. Normally your opponent could tell the difference in backing, but with solid-colored sleeves, they won't be able to tell until the unit has been summoned.

Personally, I don't think I'm going to get sleeves; it would probably mess up my shuffling and I'm bad enough at that already.

[Cleon]

I just realized - this could be a good strategy for disguising Mercenaries. Normally your opponent could tell the difference in backing, but with solid-colored sleeves, they won't be able to tell until the unit has been summoned.

Personally, I don't think I'm going to get sleeves; it would probably mess up my shuffling and I'm bad enough at that already.

It could go either way, I presume. It's kind of like LOS with Heroscape. Your figure could be open to fire because of a map feature or just the figure's sculpt size, and some may argue that that's a bad thing. But it's not necessarily, your figure may now be able to see and therefore get an attack on an opponent's figure.

If you sleeve your cards with solids, then yes your opponent won't be able to see your Mercenary, but you won't either. If you use clear sleeves or no sleeves at all you'll be able to tell if a Mercenary card is coming up, but your opponent will too.

It's interesting. I could see if this game, I mean once this game :cool: becomes very popular there may be a ruling on requiring solids or clears/none to a tournament. But seeing that both kinds have an even scale of ups and downs, the game can run fine and fair competitively without that kind of ruling.

Btw welcome to the site and game Joel!

[SuperEsenwein]

I just realized - this could be a good strategy for disguising Mercenaries. Normally your opponent could tell the difference in backing, but with solid-colored sleeves, they won't be able to tell until the unit has been summoned.

Personally, I don't think I'm going to get sleeves; it would probably mess up my shuffling and I'm bad enough at that already.
It could go either way, I presume. It's kind of like LOS with Heroscape. Your figure could be open to fire because of a map feature or just the figure's sculpt size, and some may argue that that's a bad thing. But it's not necessarily, your figure may now be able to see and therefore get an attack on an opponent's figure.

If you sleeve your cards with solids, then yes your opponent won't be able to see your Mercenary, but you won't either. If you use clear sleeves or no sleeves at all you'll be able to tell if a Mercenary card is coming up, but your opponent will too.

It's interesting. I could see if this game, I mean once this game becomes very popular there may be a ruling on requiring solids or clears/none to a tournament. But seeing that both kinds have an even scale of ups and downs, the game can run fine and fair competitively without that kind of ruling.

Btw welcome to the site and game Joel!
Thanks! I'm still new to the game, but I've done enough theorysummoning (Or what is the the term for that now for Summoner Wars?) to do well. If you look at my sig now, you can see that I'm currently undefeated. I'll see how long that lasts....

About the sleeves, its good to mention that with a solid sleeve deck while neither you nor your opponent will be able to detect and mercenaries in the deck, but when the mercenaries are in your hand, you know that they are mercenaries, but you opponent doesn't. Also, since cards go into your magic pile face-down, you will know of any mercenaries that you build, but your opponent wouldn't. Overall, it seems that you know where your mercenaries are more than your opponent, and that could be helpful. Your opponent wouldn't have as much info about you magic/hand. I agree with you on the ruling; if this game gets popular enough, I think a ruling would be useful to have, whichever way it is.

[arp12]

Well, there has already been a ruling. From the first page:

Actually, that's the question I had about sleeves. Is it "okay" to hide mercs or do they need a seperate sleeve color?

~Aldin, cheesily



I'm going to allow hiding mercs in card sleeves. If I didn't, players would be forced to buy two different sleeve packs just to get a variant back, and that is no good. I'll have to remember to mention this in the first FAQ.

[I LIKE TAU!]

Nice. I don't think I'll sleeve mine, but hiding mercs can twist your strategy a little. It also lets you operate in secret...

[Sera Eldwyn's boyfriend]

I've sleeved almost all of my decks, hiding the Mercs can be a very good strategy. But it can also hurt you not knowing what's coming next.

[Sauam]

Sleeves all my but are clear, I like the idea that if there is Merc, both player knows. It is the disadvantage of using them (or advantage sometime)

Besides, I like to see my card back

Also I don't see it make sense to force people to use sleeves if they want to enter tourney once this is written as rule, if I choose to use the card as it, it should be that way...

[Sera Eldwyn's boyfriend]

I don't think anyone would be forced to sleeve their cards if they enter a tourney. I think it would be prefered though.

[Sauam]

I don't think anyone would be forced to sleeve their cards if they enter a tourney. I think it would be prefered though.

Point here is that once it is written as rule, it will be forced

[Marroking1]

Point here is that once it is written as rule, it will be forced
Where does it say that it is a written rule. If it was a forced rule then why would they use ink on the backs of the cards if they are just going to be covered.

[Sera Eldwyn's boyfriend]

Point here is that once it is written as rule, it will be forced

But no one ever said it was going to be a written rule.

[Killer Lawnmower]

I hope that they wouldn't force someone to use sleeves. I dont use them, so thats probably why. I guess I dont see why you would absolutely need them, as long as your careful with them...

[Sera Eldwyn's boyfriend]

Exactly, and no where(that I know of) does it say that you'll be forced to use sleeves.

[Sauam]

guys, you all misunderstood my point

I was saying "please don't make it as a rule" not saying "it is written already" because I am one that against allowing use of solid card sleeve to hide Merc as shown on my previous post that I am using clear back

Truth said this himself

"I'm going to allow hiding mercs in card sleeves. If I didn't, players would be forced to buy two different sleeve packs just to get a variant back, and that is no good. I'll have to remember to mention this in the first FAQ."

Again, I am against it, not saying it is written already... I never once said that it is the rule, I can't see why people constantly take my post out of context :confused:

[Sera Eldwyn's boyfriend]

In Truth's post he never said it would be a rule, he just said he wouldn't stop people from using them.

[Sauam]

I am aware of that Sera's boyfriend, I know what he said

I am saying Truth should not make it official since he already half way there by allowing solid card back and allowing Merc to be hidden. I don't know how much more clear I can make my post to be...

[Brence]

So the Ultra Pro Yu-Gi-Oh sleeves fit the cards fully? Or do the cards themselves stick out a bit?

[Sauam]

So the Ultra Pro Yu-Gi-Oh sleeves fit the cards fully? Or do the cards themselves stick out a bit?

after using Mayday, I find ultrapro is very inferior

1) They stick out just a bit too much for my liking vertically when the card is laying on the board, making moving unit harder then it should

2) They are much too thick as well, making decks and storage a real pain after you acquire all the current faction

3) They start to "stick" together and loses it's shinny/slipperiness after only a week of use... also the scratches "fog" up the card and making my card look not as good

4) Very expensive, plus for fact that I also have to live with the above point... so I change them all to Mayday

[Sauam]

Here is some photo of all the sleeves that I've got so far
From top to bottom
1) Mayday Games normal sleeves (100 pieces) $1.80
2) Ultra Pro deck protector (50 pieces) $2.50
3) Mayday Games premium sleeves (50 pieces) $1.80


From top to bottom again; normal, ultra pro, premium... as you can see ultra are much too large, spaces are noticeably sticking out especially on the board, no good. The mayday premium fit and show zero space but are too tight causing the card to bend.

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5854/unled1copyxe.jpg


Here you see mayday premium being too tight, bending the card

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/993/img5200l.jpg


mayday normal is nice and perfect
gives just enough space for you to slide card in and out easily

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/9329/img5216e.jpg

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9559/img52052.jpg



another shot for thickness comparison, both are full 35 cards deck
left is mayday normal, right is ultrapro

http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/8931/img52182.jpg

[Obsidian]

1) Mayday Games normal sleeves (100 pieces) $1.80

Thanks for the review! Can you provide a link to those sleeves?

[Sauam]

Thanks for the review! Can you provide a link to those sleeves?

I got them at my local game shop, Meeplemart
You can however, order them online from Mayday store for $2.25 (not sure why my shop cost less...)

Mayday Game link
http://maydaygames.com/gaming-accessories/card-sleeve/usa-chimera-game-sleeves-57-5-x-89-mm-100-pack-in-stock.html

[PePe QuiCoSE]

because Mayday sells at MSRP, your local game store can sell it for less if he wishes, for less profit. Since it's basically a OLGS it does that to compete better since it has less maintenance costs.

I was using FFG ones but after doing some more reading i think i'll switch, had a good experience with Mayday for Dominion.

[Codeman]

Here is a tip ... that I think is helpful. When the game is over, not only do I sort out my opponents cards, I also sort out the 7 cards that start on the board. I just took a Sharpie and matched the letters on the set-up card. In this case A=Defender, B= Spearmen, C=Engineer.... S for Summoner is intuitive as is the W for Wall, just having the letters match the set-up card I think is an improvement and obviously it really helps when time comes to sort them out.
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n1/Codeman1957/DSC02503.jpg
I really like to be able to sort them out after the game adn marking the card sleeves makes this easy.

[Kaemon Awa 123]

Nice idea, I do something similar but I just use black sleeves instead of marking them. It makes an even bigger contrast with the sleeves I use, and I can reuse the sleeves later for something else.

[dyeyk2000]

I'm currently using the FFG Purple Sleeves, will this be a problem with the Master Set insert? (It has a bit of a space at the end)

Please don't tell me I'll have to re-sleeve everything :(

[killercactus]

I'm currently using the FFG Purple Sleeves, will this be a problem with the Master Set insert? (It has a bit of a space at the end)

Please don't tell me I'll have to re-sleeve everything :(

I have a few of my decks in MtG-sized Ultra-Pro sleeves, and even they fit into the Master Set box (though it's a bit of a squeeze), so you should be fine.

[Klaxas]

I have my cards in 9 0.3 Really Useful Boxes, 15 when the master set comes out, and 17 when the last 2 are released. thats one per faction and one for the mercs, wound markers and dice.

I put all the deck boxes (which have plenty of room for 10 of each common and 1 of each champ) along with a premuim board into a larger really useful box and im good to go. I'll have room even after the second summoners are released.

[Codeman]

I came to realize Ultra Pro makes at least two of the smaller size packs and they look identical. You have to read the fine print. Both decks say Sized for small gaming cards, but one deck states: 62mm x 89 and another reads 63.5mm 90.47mm. If you get the first the SW card will stick out about a milimeter. If you buy the second the cards fit perfect (lengthwise).
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n1/Codeman1957/UltraProCardSleeves.jpg

[Jexik]

If you can find Gold and Silver yu-gi-oh sized sleeves, they look amazing holding Sand Goblins and Mountain Vargath.

[Truth]

I came to realize Ultra Pro makes at least two of the smaller size packs and they look identical. You have to read the fine print. Both decks say Sized for small gaming cards, but one deck states: 62mm x 89 and another reads 63.5mm 90.47mm. If you get the first the SW card will stick out about a milimeter. If you buy the second the cards fit perfect (lengthwise).
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n1/Codeman1957/UltraProCardSleeves.jpg

I'm worried that maybe Ultra Pro recently changed the length of their small gaming card sleeves and both are out there in the wild right now. I really want to get ahold of some one at Ultra Pro about doing licensed Summoner Wars sleeves.

[Truth]

I am aware of that Sera's boyfriend, I know what he said

I am saying Truth should not make it official since he already half way there by allowing solid card back and allowing Merc to be hidden. I don't know how much more clear I can make my post to be...

Due to the fact that I have yet to get a printer to master color matching with exact precision If I were ever to hold a large scale tournament with a big cash prize or something I would probably get some sleeves in a variety of colors that fit SW cards and have them on sale right there at the tourney for as low a price as I could (like I make no money on them). That situation is probably the only situation where I would make opaque backed sleeves mandatory for that tournament.

But I don't really foresee doing that kind of thing. I like friendly tournaments where we've got some product prizes and everyone just comes to have fun.

[Codeman]

I'm worried that maybe Ultra Pro recently changed the length of their small gaming card sleeves and both are out there in the wild right now. I really want to get ahold of some one at Ultra Pro about doing licensed Summoner Wars sleeves.

That would be great... good luck. It would be good to see Summoner War sleeves ( I would not have to feel so bad about covering up the card backs then ). Hope it happens.

[esper88]

I had the first 8 factions in colored sleeves for a while, and it was working out great. With the release of the 6 new factions of the master set, I wanted to get card sleeves but getting 6 new apt and diversified colors seemed like a hassle. So I got enough clear sleeves to cover my whole collection.

Seeing the backs of all the old cards is like Christmas morning! That art gives the game a more rustic feel, rather than the cartoony feel my solid color sleeves ended up resonating.

Clear Sleeves for All! (CSFA)

[GunkyGamer]

So I got enough clear sleeves to cover my whole collection.(CSFA)

I'm just wondering what sleeves you went with? I've got all the old stuff in Mayday Chimera, which were a perfect fit. The Chimeras I had set aside for the Master Set don't fit.

[esper88]

Mine are a tad too long but it doesn't affect gameplay. After some hassle trying to figure out where to get perfect fits for cheap, I ended up getting the cheapest european sleeves I could find on Amazon. 59x92. Too long, but still playable.

[GunkyGamer]

Too long, but still playable.

Damn, that's what I figured. Oh well. I'm holding out for a more perfect clear-sleeve solution.

In the meantime I'll just have everyone use cloth gloves while we play in the temperature and humidity controlled SW chamber we constructed in anticipation of the Master Set. Thank goodness I planned ahead.

[GeneralRolando]

Sorry if these sleeves have already been mentioned.

I use MAYDAY GAME card sleeves because to me they seem the best. (At least if you buy the premium) Mayday Games is a company that makes card sleeves for all games from Monopoly to Summoner Wars. I highly suggest trying these out. Plus they are reasonably priced.

A NON_PREMIUM pack of 100 sleeve is about $2.25

A PREMIUM pack of 50 is $2.50

Heres a link to the Summoner Wars size sleeves.

http://maydaygames.com/gaming-accessories/euro-game-card-sleeves-59-mm-x-92-mm.html

[esper88]

Sorry if these sleeves have already been mentioned.

I use MAYDAY GAME card sleeves because to me they seem the best. (At least if you buy the premium) Mayday Games is a company that makes card sleeves for all games from Monopoly to Summoner Wars. I highly suggest trying these out. Plus they are reasonably priced.

A NON_PREMIUM pack of 100 sleeve is about $2.25

A PREMIUM pack of 50 is $2.50

Heres a link to the Summoner Wars size sleeves.

http://maydaygames.com/gaming-accessories/euro-game-card-sleeves-59-mm-x-92-mm.html

Those 59x92's are the one's I got. They work, but I wouldn't go out of my way to recommend them because they're too long.

The 57.5 x 89 mm ones recommended in a previous link are good also, but I think the width is a tad short. You almost have to force the card in.

A 59 x 89 would be perfect, but I don't think it exists.

edit// Make that 58 x 89. Those 57.5 one's are quite close, on second look. So close to being perfect.

edit2// Forget all that! 57.5 x 89 mm Mayday USA Chimera sleeves are perfect. It's only just a little smidgen longer than the card, and really doesn't affect anything. Perfect fit. If you want clear sleeves, these are the ones. Otherwise any Yugioh standard sleeves will work. Ay ay ay.

edit3// ... So I got 4 packs of 57.5 x 89 sleeves. At first the cards had to be forced in, the sleeves were too small. Then all of a sudden they were the perfect size. So I sleeve two decks, and go on to a third. Of course there are 34 cards in a deck, so I had to get 2 sleeves from the next pack in order to sleeve every card in the third deck. And what do I find? The sleeves are too small again. So I got a freak pack that was slightly wider and able to perfectly sleeve Summoner Wars cards. Same exact label, same mm reading on the packs, but different sleeves.

In conclusion, I have no conclusion.

[GunkyGamer]

According to an email dialogue I've had with Mayday, the "premium" Chimera cards that come 50 to a pack are .50 mm longer and wider than the "standard" Chimera that come 100 to a pack. If I can lay my hand on a couple of premium Chimeras, I will try them on the Master Set cards and report back the results. That little bit extra width might be just perfect, as long as it is actually interior dimension space rather than just the thicker material that accounts for the difference. If that is the case, the premium Chimera's might just be a home run for the new cards.

Although a relatively costly home run @ $2.25 per 50 sleeves direct from Mayday.

[PePe QuiCoSE]

thanks for the tip. I have been thinking of choosing Mayday, will probably wait to other reportes before buying a whole pack for the MS

[Sauam]

Mayday premium is too tight... although with some luck and a little force, you can get it fit (I say luck because sleeves are not all made equal at Mayday)... you will get a ratio of, I say, 1 in 2 that will fit super nicely. So in realilty you are buying the premium sleeves at $2.50 for 25 per pack.

If you scroll back a page or two, I've took some photo of how they look, I would still highly suggest the Mayday normal as they all fit 99% of the time and are much cheaper especially when you want to sleeve every card there is... although the normal is little flimsier than premium, I can live with that.

But of course, if money is not your concern, premium mayday will look and feel the best :cool:

[GunkyGamer]

I would still highly suggest the Mayday normal as they all fit 99% of the time and are much cheaper...
But of course, if money is not your concern, premium mayday will look and feel the best :cool:

Thanks for pointing that out. I had seen your post, but got into a dialogue with the folks at Mayday and forgot about those photos.

Can you just clarify which Mayday normal you are referring too? Are those normal chimera or normal euros?

Also, are you storing those normal sleeves in the Master Set box? The concern I have about the sleeves being too long is not really about handling during play, but rather that those dangling ends will get mangled in storage. Once they are folded and bent, sleeves kinda suck.

As far as money goes, ordinarily I would say that the premiums are way more than I want to spend for sleeves. In fact, SW is one of the only things I have ever sleeved. I like Summoner Wars enough that if the fit were great (the way the normal chimeras were on the original printings of SW stuff), then it would be worthwhile. But if it is going to take 20 or so packs of sleeves to get sufficient good Chimeras, well, at that point I could just start investing in a complete second set of SW cards.:rolleyes:

[Sauam]

Can you just clarify which Mayday normal you are referring too? Are those normal chimera or normal euros?


np, its the Mayday Chimera, size: 57.5mm x 89mm
also they will fit the master set box super nicely, no worries.

I also feel if I need to spend more than $50 on sleeves, I mind as well buy another Master Set to support PHG, besides, the chimera normal fits great and cheap, just little flimsy on the opening edge but it really dont bother me

[Sauam]

In conclusion, I have no conclusion.

From the look, you likely got a "lemon" pack... I purchase around 15 pack of Mayday Chimera (1500 piece for only $30 taxed in, woot! Enough for SW x2) and within them I did got a single pack where the size is all screwy, like half fits and half not at all.

[Klaxas]

I really want to get ahold of some one at Ultra Pro about doing licensed Summoner Wars sleeves.

yes please. :::hands over more money:::

seriously though i have not as of yet sleaved my decks, but i want too.

[GunkyGamer]

np, its the Mayday Chimera, size: 57.5mm x 89mm
also they will fit the master set box super nicely, no worries.



You know, that is what I suspected and there is a problem.

I have a pile of normal chimera's that I ordered in anticipation of the Master Set. I ordered a big stack and sleeved the old stuff, no problem. Those same chimera normal sleeves do not fit the cards in my master set. And it is not a case of a few bad sleeves--I've sampled sleeves from across 5 different packs of normal chimeras and none work. The new cards are ever so slightly, but noticeably, larger than the old cards. No one's fault--just the way it is.

Oh well, I'm going to check out some premium chimera when I can and we will see where things stand then.

[Sauam]

You know, that is what I suspected and there is a problem.

I have a pile of normal chimera's that I ordered in anticipation of the Master Set. I ordered a big stack and sleeved the old stuff, no problem. Those same chimera normal sleeves do not fit the cards in my master set. And it is not a case of a few bad sleeves--I've sampled sleeves from across 5 different packs of normal chimeras and none work. The new cards are ever so slightly, but noticeably, larger than the old cards. No one's fault--just the way it is.

Oh well, I'm going to check out some premium chimera when I can and we will see where things stand then.

Funny thing is I am using the exact chimera sleeve and yet fits every single cards I own, including master set. I have a feeling is Mayday's at fault here. There might be two different size in the market but yet label the exact same? .. This is my best guess.

[dyeyk2000]

Funny thing is I am using the exact chimera sleeve and yet fits every single cards I own, including master set. I have a feeling is Mayday's at fault here. There might be two different size in the market but yet label the exact same? .. This is my best guess.

You just might be on to something. I've had two batches of chimeras recently ordered.

The first batch I had some trouble fitting MOST of the cards. (VG, FK, JE, CL and PE and mercs). Lots of wastage. Some cards were definitely bending. The rest, a slight wiggle and bend after inserting sort of re-adjusted the card fit within the sleeve.

But the second batch was a revelation! (for GD and mercs) 2 sleeves wasted at most! Every card sleeved in seamlessly!

So yeah. Mayday might be at fault in this somehow.

[GunkyGamer]

There might be two different size in the market but yet label the exact same? ..

Well, I wouldn't be so quick to lay blame with Mayday or anyone else. Like I said, the normal Chimera's were a perfect fit for my old stuff--but that is just it, they were perfect. The new Master Set cards are absolutely bigger than the old SW cards--not by much, really just a hair, but there was no leeway in the Chimeras when I sleeved the old stuff.

There is certainly some minor variation in the Mayday sleeves--I did have to set aside some of the Chimeras even when sleeving the old SW stuff. But really, it was just a few. Maybe 1 in 15 or 20. We are talking only pennies worth. Given the low price, high volume, mass produced nature of sleeves, I am not surprised that quality control is a bit sketchy. I'm not excusing it. I'm just not surprised by it.

I got in touch with Mayday and they have been extremely helpful. I've got an assortment of Mayday sleeves coming to me, probably in a week or ten days. I'll go through them all and see what seems to work best.

I'm actually a bit surprised at how hard it is to find something. I wouldn't have thought that there were so many different card sizes in the world. Seems like there would just be a few standard sizes.

[GromBloodboy]

I picked up Mayday's Chimera 57.5mm x 89mm at Gencon, and they fit all of the cards perfectly. I now have all of my Summoner Wars card in those clean, crisp, and thick sleeves instead of those nasty yellow-tinted cheap MtG sleeves. I am very impressed by the product.

[Scapemage921]

I have some sleeves for 4 decks (not sure of the brand), but my sleeved cards won't fit into the Master Set box slots. My local game store carry Fantasy Flight Sleeves, will cards sleeved with these fit into the Master Set slots?

[Rÿchean]

I have some sleeves for 4 decks (not sure of the brand), but my sleeved cards won't fit into the Master Set box slots. My local game store carry Fantasy Flight Sleeves, will cards sleeved with these fit into the Master Set slots?

The purple Fantasy Flight sleeve is what I am currently using and it will fit into the master set slots.......to a point. I was unable to get them to lay flush with the bottom of the chamber but I was able to get some into the slots; it is a snug fit.

[jschild]

I've tried and tried and tried and I just cannot enjoy card sleeves.

They make normal shuffling difficult, get sticky/wet far too easy and cling together and just seem to be more trouble than what they are worth. I wish I could enjoy them but I can't. And no, I'm not going to shuffle them by rows as that isn't shuffling.

Is any brands significantly better than Mayfair, because those split at the edges through normal shuffling far too easily.

[Scapemage921]

The purple Fantasy Flight sleeve is what I am currently using and it will fit into the master set slots.......to a point. I was unable to get them to lay flush with the bottom of the chamber but I was able to get some into the slots; it is a snug fit.
Ok. That's exactly what my sleeves do. Thanks for clarifying.

[GunkyGamer]

I just posted a review of various Mayday sleeves to the Summoner Wars forum on BGG and thought I would post the copy here, in case it helps someone:

Yesterday I received a number of samples, courtesy of Mayday, in different sizes including Chimera standard, Chimera premium, Euro sized and a few others and tried them out on my Master Set cards.

The Chimera premium were the best fit by far--near perfect, in my opinion. As I had encountered previously, the Chimera standard which had fit perfectly for the old SW cards were too tight for the new SW cards. The Euro sized sleeves technically work, but they are about 1/4-inch too long.

The chimera premium fit as well on the new SW cards as the standard Chimera did for my old SW stuff. In fact, better. The cards went into the sleeves without having to be forced. I had no throw-aways in the package of 50 premium chimeras. Back when I sleeved the old cards with standard chimera, I encountered several sleeves that wouldn't fit. Every one of the premium chimeras fit just fine.

Once sleeved there was no lateral movement and the cards stayed securely in place within the sleeve during handling. The premium chimera sleeve extends about 1mm beyond the end of the card's length, the same as I experienced with the standard chimeras on the old SW cards. It seems to me that the extra thickness of the premium sleeves means that those ends are far less likely to be damaged in storage or use. Time will tell.

The chimera sleeves are also a good fit the Master Set's box. The thickness of the sleeves will reduce the total number of cards that can be stored flat in the Master Set box, but it looks to me like two standard faction decks should fit in each slot of the insert. There should be more than enough room for everything published to date. The Euro sleeves do not fit into the box and curl in the corners. You could trim the Euros--frankly I would not be willing to invest the time.

I was a bit concerned that the extra thick premium sleeves would be annoying when stacked during play to create draw, discard and magic piles. I was happy to find that this is not the case. Stacks up to about 35 cards behave themselves just fine. The thicker sleeves also make cards very easy to pick up from the board. Out of curousity I intermixed standard chimeras (which I have on my old SW cards) and the premium Chimeras to see if the combination would behave oddly--it did not.

The premium chimera sleeves are a bit expensive for sleeves--list price is $2.25 (U.S.) per 50 sleeves. A quick search shows that they are available for quite a bit less from online retailers.

Overall I really like the premium sleeves. They add a real heft to the cards that appeals to me. I might not go to the expense for just any old game, but for something like Summoner Wars that has earned a special place in my collection it is worth it.

[Scapemage921]

NOTICE: Fantasty Flight Purple Series Sleeves work, however Fantasty Flight Green Series Sleeves are too small.

[iglew]

I've tried and tried and tried and I just cannot enjoy card sleeves. [...] I wish I could enjoy them but I can't. And no, I'm not going to shuffle them by rows as that isn't shuffling.

You're not alone. I hate using card sleeves.

I played MTG for about four years and never used sleeves. I didn't have any moxes or anything, but I had a few cards like dual lands or the current top rares priced in the $10-$15 range. I still wouldn't put them in sleeves. I'm a gamer, not a collector.

[flamejuggler]

I normally hate sleeves unless the game demands it, and the limited shuffling and low card count in the decks of SW make this a nonissue I think. I wasn't intending to sleeve the game. But I got into SW by winning a BGG auction with the 8 factions sent to me pre sleeved, each in a unique color...and I have to say it makes choosing factions out of a card box VERY nice, and super easy to separate factions in discard piles etc. Sleeves actually feel ok in this game BECAUSE of the small deck size, and that it's a bit easier to manipulate the sleeved cards on the board (assuming you use decent sleeves).

Trying to get 14+ unique colors however is proving tricky. Pondering sea foam green...Ive seen packs of yugioh 'DekProt' brand online in many shades for as low as 2.50 for 50, which is plenty for a faction and then some.

On that note, custom SW sleeves with differing colors and the Faction logo on the back, one for each faction...that'd be awesome.

[iglew]

On that note, custom SW sleeves with differing colors and the Faction logo on the back, one for each faction...that'd be awesome.

I have to admit, if they came up with this at a reasonable price, that might get me to change my mind about sleeves.

For most of my SW career I played only the standard decks. Now that my girlfriend has persuaded me to add reinforcements and mercenaries, the slight discrepancies in card size, shape and color is a nuisance. Especially with the Cloaks or Jungle Elves, it's very difficult to get a good shuffle with inconsistent cards.

[brhodges]

On that note, custom SW sleeves with differing colors and the Faction logo on the back, one for each faction...that'd be awesome.

Now this would be cool.

[Jexik]

You're not alone. I hate using card sleeves.

I played MTG for about four years and never used sleeves. I didn't have any moxes or anything, but I had a few cards like dual lands or the current top rares priced in the $10-$15 range. I still wouldn't put them in sleeves. I'm a gamer, not a collector.

I feel the same way, but I still like putting my SW stuff in sleeves.

Part of it is the merc-back issue, and the other was when I accidentally let my The Eater get a bit too much moisture on it and I ripped the back of the Berserker it was stuck to.

Between Ultra-pro and dek-prot, and some japanese company whose name I've forgot, I have a pretty cool assortment of colors.

[iglew]

Now that I've started playing reinforcements -- which I avoided for a long time, since I don't really like the deck-building aspect of the game -- I might give in and join the sleeve crowd. I don't mind that the mercenaries have a different back, which I figure is just part of the game, but I do mind that the reinforcement cards have a noticeably different curve and color. It's especially a problem with the Cloaks and Jungle Elves, where the cards are sized slightly differently, too. It makes it difficult to shuffle, and even worse for my girlfriend who isn't as good at shuffling to begin with.

In fact, come to think of it, I think maybe I'll stop by Cardhaus after work and pick up some sleeves to try out this weekend. Then we'll see how much I (and she) like or dislike them.

[Jexik]

I just took a bunch of pictures. Enjoy.

http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/715487/the-final-word-on-sleeves-please/page/2

[Lord Trask]

I love the sleeves for SW. Get the Yu-Gi-Oh! sized cards and they shuffle very well when you just press the two halves of the deck together. Four or Five of those presses and you are randomized!

The way we are doing it is putting the Starting Cards in Clear Sleeves. The rest of the starter sets have a unique faction color. If I sub in a merc or a reinforcement, I just slide it in over the starter card. Makes deck building/debuilding easy.

When you start, you only need to find the clear cards for your initial setup.

When you are done, you seperate the cards quickly by backing color / Faction symbol on the starter cards. Quick count to 34 and you are ready to put it away.

[Marroking1]

Got my master set in last week. And I was looking for some card sleeves that were cheap and that would fit both the card and the spots in the master set box. I came across these http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Pack-Dark-Green-Premier-Choice-Yu-Gi-Oh-Sleeve-50pcs-pack-/160649960833?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25677bdd81

Has anyone tried these they seem to come in alot of colors which is an added bonus.

[Lord_AndraK]

I'm currently using the "Yu gi-oh sized Ultra Pro Quality clear sleeves" and it works well, it allows the backs to be visible so mercenary cards can be identified and doesn't restrict me to a garish colour scheme.

I tried the different colours but you'll eventually run out and the game is looks much more awesome when the beautiful faction symbols are visible.

[gr0undzer0]

I got the Euro Cards but there is a problem. Even when they are trimmed down they do not fit in the MS box. What Deck Box could I use to hold my cards so that the edges of the cards don't get bent upword while on the bottom of the stack in the MS box.

[Marroking1]

The card sleeves that I posted last page fit perfectly on the cards and also fit into the master set. They are a 1.76 apack

[Jebuh214]

Hey I was wondering if anybody uses Card Sleeves on Dungeon Run, and if so what sizes do you use? I'm getting ready to order DR, and I want to know if I need to buy any new sleeves.

[ChaosChild]

Hey I was wondering if anybody uses Card Sleeves on Dungeon Run, and if so what sizes do you use? I'm getting ready to order DR, and I want to know if I need to buy any new sleeves.

I use Mayday's mini euro size for the ability cards and standard M:tG size sleeves for the rest.

[Deceit]

I use the magic the gathering sleeves with colored backs. They're easy to shuffle and I like having the larger feeling cards.

[RayLancer]

I bought the Mayday Chimera standards and they are a bit too snug for the cards, making them slightly curve. Out of all the boardgames I own, I have to admit finding sleeves that fit for this game is not a fun experience. I sleeve stuff that gets heavy play to protect the cards. Plus I used to play in Magic tournaments and those don't look too kindly to beaten up cards since they could be used as marked cards.

I got all the sleeves for Dungeon Run using Mayday Mini Euros and the standard sizes. I was wondering if anyone found a way of sleeving the character cards.

[glenn3e]

I bought the Mayday Chimera standards and they are a bit too snug for the cards, making them slightly curve. Out of all the boardgames I own, I have to admit finding sleeves that fit for this game is not a fun experience. I sleeve stuff that gets heavy play to protect the cards. Plus I used to play in Magic tournaments and those don't look too kindly to beaten up cards since they could be used as marked cards.

I got all the sleeves for Dungeon Run using Mayday Mini Euros and the standard sizes. I was wondering if anyone found a way of sleeving the character cards.

Same problem here with DR. My local gamestore owner also suggested not to laminate them, they did that and the cards bugged out.

[RayLancer]

I decided to order the Mayday Games Euro sleeves. I tried sticking my master set cards into the Chimera normals but I ended up not using A LOT of them because they were too tight and I feared it would do long term damage to the card since it wasn't staying flat in the sleeves.

Plaid Hat Games, I hope you guys find some way of selling some "official" sleeves to solve my OCD issues. :D

[Upshmuzza]

I had the same problem with too tight card sleeves. However, I found out that shuffling the deck over, and over, and over (yeah it's really a mess) again, then using rubber band to fix the decks tight together and leaving them for 48 hours+ on the table can work. Repeating this 4-5 times and the sleeves will adopt to the card size. I was using Fantasy Flight Games' American Boardgame Size Card Sleeves (56mmx87mm or something). Next time, however, I will opt for 1 sleeve size larger --- hopefully resulting in less distress.

Cheers from Berlin,
Upshmutsa

[Dapuma]

So the ultrapro card sleeves for YGO will work the best and still fit in the slots in the master set?

Is that the general concencous?

[RayLancer]

Im not sure about the YGO sleeves but the European sized sleeves work fine for me, but I had to use a papercutter to trim like about 2mm off. Width wise its perfect.

[ChaosChild]

So the ultrapro card sleeves for YGO will work the best and still fit in the slots in the master set?

Is that the general concencous?

Not quite. The corners of the bottom sleeves get bent a little. I just cut the corners out of the slots.

[Dapuma]

i really dont want to have to trim the sleeves or anything i just want them to work

should i be waiting for someone to come up with perfect sized sleeves or make the plunge and get some that wont fit just right

[Mookinizer]

i really dont want to have to trim the sleeves or anything i just want them to work

should i be waiting for someone to come up with perfect sized sleeves or make the plunge and get some that wont fit just right

Ditto, Ive been thinking about getting card sleeves as well, as I want this game to last a long time. Does anyone have a good size that's worked for them that hasn't involved trimming the sleeves?

[gamjuven]

Dang it I need more colors. I am running out of colors for every deck. I'm not even making duplicate decks with summoners (totally could). BUt having a different color for each Summoner is getting very hard. I may have to start using clear, at least that way I could appreciate the back art.

[rudyvalentine]

On a recent PHG podcast (35?), I believe ultra-pro small sleeves were recommended. Having never sleeved gaming cards before, I have a simple question. How easy is it to put cards in and take cards out of the sleeves? Is it time consuming or is it something you can do fairly quickly prior to playing a game?

[XPD]

I normally don't have a hard time sleeving up a deck of cards. Now if you are going to sleeve your whole collection at one time by yourself, that might be a bit much. Just two Summoner Wars decks should be fairly quick and easy.

[rudyvalentine]

I normally don't have a hard time sleeving up a deck of cards. Now if you are going to sleeve your whole collection at one time by yourself, that might be a bit much. Just two Summoner Wars decks should be fairly quick and easy.

Thanks for the info. I'm not looking to sleeve my whole collection but was more wondering if it's realistic to think I could just sleeve the decks I'm actually playing with to save on buying hundreds of sleeves.

[killercactus]

Thanks for the info. I'm not looking to sleeve my whole collection but was more wondering if it's realistic to think I could just sleeve the decks I'm actually playing with to save on buying hundreds of sleeves.

I think that would get pretty annoying (to me anyway). It takes me a few minutes to sleeve a deck usually, and a couple to unsleeve.

[XPD]

I think that would get pretty annoying (to me anyway). It takes me a few minutes to sleeve a deck usually, and a couple to unsleeve.

Well killercactus makes a good point. If you are sleeving and unsleeving two decks of cards that is about 35 x 4 = 140 cards of work per game (is that an acceptable unit of measurement? :p). Just two or three games that can add up. Now I don't think its hard, but doing anything that much will be annoying.

Now if you sleeve your favorite decks 4 or 5 of them. That's about 140-175 sleeves and small sleeves are probably 3.50 to 4.50 for 50. So that would be about $14 and you could only have to re-sleeve one or two decks a play session.

[Hix]

Is there any chance that PlaidHat will come out with Summoner Wars sleeves like Ascension did? Right now I have the FFS Euros that I trimmed the top of each one individually, and one member of my gaming group rips me to shreds because he can guess which cards I have coming up and in my hand based on the tops of the sleeve... This is getting pretty annoying to say the least. I would be all over Summoner Wars specific sleeves, even if they are art sleeves or just clear/colored backs. I have purchased three full sets now minus Vangaurds and Cloaks for my group to use, and yes it took days to trim the tops of all of those cards one at a damn time.

Side note: I would be up for a preorder of the sleeves and dice for that matter if that would be the deciding factor.

(BTW my first post.)

[thenightsshadow]

Welcome, Hix!

As for the future, I wouldn't say it's impossible for Plaid Hat to be releasing some. It all really depends on the circumstances. If I recall correctly, Mice and Mystics is just about to come out, so I think that's where their focus is at the moment, but there's a lot of demand for sleeves, so we'll see.